Interview with Lincoln Futura Interior Designer Stan Thorwaldsen
by Mark Racop on August 4, 2009
I just got off the phone with Stan Thorwaldsen, who was the interior designer
of the 1955 Lincoln Futura. We had a great conversation about the wonderful car
that he helped build over 55 years ago. At 80 years old, his memory is still
sharp too!
Mark Racop: Stan, do you have a few minutes to answer some questions about the
1955 Lincoln Futura?
Stan Thorwaldsen: Yes.
M: How's your memory?
Stan: Oh, not as good as it used to be.
M: Well, see what you can remember. I'm a huge fan of the Futura and of the
Batmobile, so this is real treat for me to talk with one of the actual builders
of the car.
Stan: (chuckles) OK. I'm glad that someone still remembers it!
M: What was your job regarding the 1955 Lincoln Futura?
Stan: I was in charge of designing and building the entire interior of the car.
M: What were some of the challenges of building this car? Was anything off the
shelf?
Stan: Nothing was off-the-shelf. We had to custom-build everything.
M: Switches? Knobs?
Stan: Yeah, everything. It was all one-off. We were experimenting with sculpted
door panels for the first time on that car. In the past, we had always used flat
masonite, but this car would have a 3D sculpted effect.
M: Were the inner door panels made of fiberglass?
Stan: Probably, although we were also working with a masonite/wood chip/glue
mixture that we were heating inside of molds, too, but I expect the Futura was
probably fiberglass, yes.
M: Of what material were the chrome door sweeps made? Aluminum? Stainless?
Stan: Actually it was brass. We made almost all of the trim from brass because
it was more malleable, and then we chrome-plated it.
M: I'll bet the five roll top dash doors were hard.
Stan: Yeah, it took some time. We made some of those parts out of steel.
M: Did you design the steering wheel?
Stan: Yes. It had little pods that hung down with turn signal indicator
switches.
M: Did the turn signal switches work?
Stan: Yes.
M: That's great. How about the speedometer? The tachometer? The warning lights?
Did they all work, too?
Stan: Oh, yes. All of it worked. It was a drivable car.
M: Did the center of the binnacle stay upright while the outer hub of the
steering wheel turned?
Stan: Yes. And we had a compass on the driver side, and there was something on
the passenger side, too. Maybe a clock.
M: Yes, the photos show a clock. Did the horn foot pedal work?
Stan: I don't remember. Probably, but I don't remember.
M: That was a couple days ago.
Stan: (Chuckles), yeah--what--fifty almost sixty years ago?
M: What was the silver part of the center console between the seats? Was it a
door?
Stan: I'm pretty sure it was a tambour door that opened, yes.
M: Above the silver door was either a light or a speaker. Which was it?
Stan: I can't remember for sure, but I would think an interior light.
M: Did the microphone work on the rear deck? Was there a speaker inside the car?
Stan: No, I don't think so. It wasn't connected to anything. I think that was
all for glitz and glamour as a concept car.
M: Do you have any stories or anecdotes about the Futura?
Stan: No, the building of the Futura pretty much went smoothly. At Packard, on
the other hand (he laughed)!
M: Was the canopy hard to make work? Did it ever break down?
Stan: It worked all right. I'm sure it had a problem at some point, but it
worked when we needed it to. As a concept car, it only had to work a handful of
times.
M: Did the air conditioning work?
Stan: It did, but that car was always hot.
M: No shades, no blinds...
Stan: Right. It wasn't very practical at all.
M: There were some plastic air funnels coming out of the air conditioning vents
in some photos, but not all. Was that early, or late?
Stan: You mean in the rear package tray?
M: Yes, out of the chrome air conditioning vents on the rear package tray.
Stan: I remember those on the 1956 Lincoln, but not on the Futura. Hmmmm.
M: Did you ever get to drive the car?
Stan: No, but Bill Schmidt, my boss, did. Along with Benson Ford, I think, in
New York.
M: Do you have any photos, models or toys of the car?
Stan: No. Bill Schmidt had someone make a model for him--I don't know, maybe 18
or 20 inches long. I don't know if his family still has it, or if it ended up in
a museum in Michigan.
M: What did you think of the Futura?
Stan: It was silly, it was impractical, but it was beautiful. It was one of a
kind. Ford was behind Cadillac and trying to catch up.
M: Was the Futura successful for Lincoln?
Stan: Oh yes. The goal was to get attention, and that car was featured in a lot
of magazines and newspapers. It did its job.
M: How did you feel about the Futura becoming the Batmobile?
Stan: Oh, all right. Ford was pushing it for use in movies and TVs. It was in a
movie--I can't remember the title...
M: It Started With a Kiss with Glenn Ford?
Stan: Yes. And with Debbie Reynolds And it was a few years after that when
George Barris turned it into the Batmobile.
M: What else did you do at Ford?
Stan: I designed the interior of the 1956 Lincoln, borrowing a lot from the
Futura. I had started designing the Edsel interior--with no idea what the
exterior would look like.
M: Did you work on the 57 Lincoln, too?
Stan: No. And Ford ruined the look of the car. But I had already left Ford to go
to Packard. I was pretty young at the time--I was 21 or 22. This turned out to
be a bad decision, because Packard closed down two years later!
M: Are you aware that there are 3 replicas of the Futura and about 75 of the
Batmobile?
Stan: No. You mean full scale?!
M: Yes! Full-scale, 1:1 drivable cars. There are many fans of your work, trying
to duplicate it perfectly.
Stan: No, I wasn't aware of that.
M: You should check out 1966batmobile.com, where you will find a section on the
Futura, and take a look at some of the wonderful pictures.
Stan: I'll do that.
M: Stan, thanks so much for your time. We are huge fans of your work, and you
will forever be remembered. Have a great one, sir.
Stan: Thanks for calling.